Posts by never a jw

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Atheism Explained

by Dis-Member in

thought some might find this interesting... .

where do you get your morality from?

don't assume that atheists don't have morals.

Where does the Bible come from? From all the reading I have done regarding bible authorship, biblical scholarship, history of early chrsitianity, copying of the bible, translation of the bible, the existence of hundreds, even thousands of Christian denominations, I have to conclude that we owe the Bible to humans, superstitious humans at best, or controlling, manipulative and dishonest humans at worst.

Since Bible gives morality to humans, and the Bible comes from humans. I guess humans are ultimately responsible for an ever changing and improving morality code. I wonder how many good christians here would trade the treatment they get from, let's say, the Constitution of the United States, for the treatment they would get under Mosaic Law. Imagine being an adulterous woman...actually just imagine being a woman in the times of Moses, or the times of the apostle Paul. What do you prefer, the morality code of the Constitution in the 21st century, or the morality code from 2,000 to 3,000 years ago as prescribed by the "word of God" in the Bible?

Chrsitian women, enjoy:

GENESIS 2:22 Eve created from Adam’s rib. 3:16 Eve cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband. 4:19 Man marries two wives. 12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife. 19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels. 19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god. 19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. 20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again. 25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK. EXODUS 20:17 Wife as property. 21:4 Wife and children belong to master. 21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without payment of money. 22:18 Kill witches. LEVITICUS 12:1-8 Childbirth unclean, Women need to make atonement after childbirth. 15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean. 20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions. 21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees. 21:9 Burn daughters. 21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman. NUMBERS 1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count. 5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only. 30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband. 31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves. 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses. DEUTERONOMY 20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder. 22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride. 22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim. 22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated for depreciation of his property. 25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis. 24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry “used” woman.

I CORINTHIANS 11:2-10… Woman created for man. 14:34 Women must be silent in churches. EPHESIANS 5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything. COLOSSIANS 3:18 Wives submit to husbands. 3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything. I TIMOTHY 2:11-15 Woman must not have authority – she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing. 5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’ feet. 1 PETER 2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh. 3:1 Wives submit. 3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

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Debunking Jehovah's Witnesses claim Life is getting worse for humans- Population

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmql3gto128&feature=youtu.be.

never a jw

Great video! One problem though, the name. Most JW's won't touch it because they assume that it was made by those "evil apostates". If you are in control of the name, search for a better one that doesn't make JW's avoid it.

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Does earthquake means revolution in Biblical symbolic language (dark sayings)?

by never a jw in

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friends

is the answer to my question "yes" or is it more bs from rutherford, just like the meaning of matthew 8:11 according to the fds.. in page 19 of the book "millions now living will never die" you will find the following:.

"again jesns said that the war, famine and pestilence would be followed by earthquakes it was not unusual for jesus to use symbolic language; in fact, he often used symbolic language or dark sayings to conceal the real meaning until the due time should come.

in biblical symbology earthquake means revolution.

never a jw

Is the answer to my question "yes" or is it more BS from Rutherford, just like the meaning of Matthew 8:11 according to the FDS.

In page 19 of the book "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" you will find the following:

"Again Jesns said that the war, famine and pestilence would be followed by earthquakes It was not unusual for Jesus to use symbolic language; in fact, he often used symbolic language or dark sayings to conceal the real meaning until the due time should come. In Biblical symbology earthquake means revolution. Following the war have come famine, pestilence and revolutions in many countries-some bloody and some bloodless. Russia has experienced her revolution and there the Babylonish systems have fallen".

I guess there were not too many earthquakes around the time the book was written so the prophecy had to be fulfilled no matter what. Nothing has changed in Watchtowerland during the last 90 years.

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District Assemblies and Circuit Assemblies getting farther away from home

by never a jw in

20 years ago the da's were in dodger stadium, 10-15 minute drive from home (east part of san fernando valley, los angeles area).

then moved to long beach, 45 minute drive.

now in 2014 they are moving to san diego, 2 1/2 hr drive.

never a jw

Designs,

My brother, a JW, just told me that their D.A.'s are going to San Diego now. He belongs to a Spanish circuit in the east part of the San Fernando Valley. I don't know where they are holding the assembly though. They were held for many years in Long Beach. I heard a story that the WT had traded consrruction labor for many years of use of the Sports Arena in Long Beach. I suppose, the benefits from that trade ran out. My wife is a JW. She will have to hear what I think about her spending even more money in gasoline, lodging and donation for a group of people who have lied to her, who are perfectly willing to let her die in a hospital, and would abandon her (shun) at the first attempt to disagree or complain.

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District Assemblies and Circuit Assemblies getting farther away from home

by never a jw in

20 years ago the da's were in dodger stadium, 10-15 minute drive from home (east part of san fernando valley, los angeles area).

then moved to long beach, 45 minute drive.

now in 2014 they are moving to san diego, 2 1/2 hr drive.

never a jw

20 years ago the DA's were in Dodger Stadium, 10-15 minute drive from home (east part of San Fernando Valley, Los Angeles area). Then moved to Long Beach, 45 minute drive. Now in 2014 they are moving to San Diego, 2 1/2 hr drive. The distances to D.A.'s are getting longer.

Same thing is happening to C.A.'s. The Watchtower owned a C.A. hall sitting in a very expensive piece of land that was close to home. They sold it many years ago (I am sure for many millions). Going to that hall was just 1/2 hour drive for my family. After the sale of that hall, my family has had to drive to the Norco circuit assembly hall, which is sitting on a cheap piece of land that may have cost less than a million, but it's 1 hr and 15 minute drive for my family.

Oh well, my consolation is that my nephew has to drive from Los Angeles to San Francisco to attend his D.A. in portuguese. That is a six hour drive.

The extra cost of gasoline and lodging in some cases far outweighs the savings of the WTS. Not to mention the huge increase in pollution resulting from the extra driving. I guess the WTS is just as responsible, if not more, for ruining the earth.

Is the WT running out of money, or they are finding new ways to keep more at the expense of the rank and file and the planet.

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New here, just wanted to say "Hello"

by Goldiver in

hello all, it is nice to have a forum for former jw's and see i wasn't the only one out there having serious doubts.

my parents got into it when i was about 4 years old.

my family was part of the granville ny congregation.. my dad in time became an elder.

never a jw

Welcome!!

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The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

by never a jw in

i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

never a jw

Mistified, I believe is the July magazine (new light).

Thanks Jetro. I wasn't too far off after all.

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The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

by never a jw in

i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

never a jw

mistified,

Do you have the specific reference? I haven't heard about it

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The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

by never a jw in

i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

never a jw

The assyrian attack may have been a mixture of history and mythology from the Bible that the FDS is trying to use as prophecy that applies to them. They, the WT, may be preparing for the great internet apostate attack and the lawsuits regarding pedophiles in the midst of the WT. Right?

I hope I don't get corrected by the great scholars at JWN. If I do, I am sure I will learn something.

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The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

by never a jw in

i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

never a jw

prblem addict.

That certainly was this year. I will find it. There are two in the daily text. One about obedience, the other about research being not good. I have to find the exact quotes,